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Neckfansince71
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Great post Macomber! A lot to consider and discuss!

Comments regarding Macomber statements:

Point 1 – I really liked Obi in purple and gold. With him back for year 2 and a healthy Ceola and TP, you have yourself an NCAA qualifier IMO! But TP did get hurt against Cleveland State and Ceola played banged up for ½ that championship year so who knows in the end what the result would have been. Obi committed to WIU in the Fall of his senior year. This was before he helped his team win the Oklahoma State basketball tournament and before he really appeared on Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, or Oral Robert’s radar. He was not that committed to playing in Macomb and in reality really wanted to stay closer to home. But his parents basically said, fulfill your promise for a year probably in the hopes that he might learn to enjoy all that Macomb has to offer! Well at the end of the first basketball season, Obi still wanted to go home and even though the Necks barely lost the championship game in OT and was definitely going to get some type of tournament bid, he headed for home. While the team flew from the Quad Cities to Oregon State via Portland, Obi took off from Omaha, escorted by an assistant coach. I agree Obi would have helped both last year and this year with out a doubt, but how much we will never know. You gotta wonder though if Mo would have stayed with a committed Obi on the team?

Point 2 – I think from watching the Necks play defense that Billy can coach!! They beat Wisconsin because they hit their shots not only at the beginning of the game, but also at clutch time down the stretch. Those players that hit those timely shots that night have not hit them very often since. USD hit their shots and the Necks could not answer. The way to answer a run is to have one of your own. I thought and still think that Mo is a fine coach. His ability to coach teams to defend goes un-matched and that’s why he is sitting on the bench in Lincoln. But his offense wore out it’s welcome at Bradley and I think began to frustrate the folks in Macomb. I have said a number of times during my coaching career that my shooting percentage as a coach was 0/0. Coach Wright was a very good shooter in college, but he is still shooting 0/0 as a coach!

Point 3 – I was disappointed when Coach Wade left WIU. He is a class act and I always enjoyed talking with him. But Coach Wright is a class act too. IMO it was a huge loss when Coach Wright left for Ball State. He was Mo’s number 1 recruiter and from then on, WIU’s recruiting suffered without Billy Wright on the bench.

Point 4 – You talk about D1 coaching experience like it was something magical! A coach’s role on a staff is more important than the level they are coaching at. Basketball is basketball, but recruiting at each level I am sure is different. In this case though, Billy Wright has D1 experience and his coaching staff is gaining that. Developing “big men” was and is a priority for this staff and bringing Vershaw on board made good sense IMO. I get your thoughts about Juco connections but I am not sure Coach Wright wants to rely on that as he was forced to last year.

Point 5 – WIU did catch lightning in a bottle for two years with Parks and Clark. Unfortunately, the Necks fell just short of the “show” for two years. I have always said that the mark of good program is that you stay competitive until the studs walk in and then you make the most of them while you can!

Point 6 – Macomb has been a tough place to win for the past 40 years. It wasn’t so back in the days of the NAIA when a majority of mid majors, D2, and D3 played each year in this wonderful tournament played in Kansas City! The stats you have presented a true and cannot be disputed in most cases! I am not really sure why you would drive on two lane roads to get to the Peoria Airport when you can drive four lane 67 to four lane 136 to interstate 74 to interstate 474? That’s a total of 66 miles! You could also head to the Quad City’s, that’s just 76 miles away. You talked about how close Sioux City is to Vermillion and Brookings, well, it is pretty much all interstate but it is 56 miles from Brookings and 62 miles from Vermillion. I guess having experienced the drive to WIU in the earIy 70’s and then making the drive while my daughter went there has given me the feeling that Macomb really is not that far away from the suburbs. Besides that, Amtrak is still taking students from the Chicago area to Macomb. Both South Dakota schools have been left off the list of AMTRAK stops. I think your point about major state universities is the most important fact at the moment. The University of South Dakota and South Dakota State are the signature schools of South Dakota, similar to University of Illinois! As Ringo Starr stated back when I was going to WIU, “It don’t come easy, you know it don’t come easy!”

Enough said! ;) jc
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A few notes to ponder...

1. Again, these are Coach Mo's players. No one is under estimating his ability to coach, but how many games do you think he may have one this year? This current team cannot shoot from the inside or the outside! Coach Wright starting behind the eight ball.

2. Coach Hokenson is a great guy, but have you asked yourself why his contract was not renewed (not he just decided to leave)? Coach Wright is loyal to those that are loyal to him.

3. Why were none of the assistants replaced when Coach Wright got the job? This is practically unheard of in D-1 sports where all of the assistants for the former head coach stick around. Like you stated none of them have D-1 experience and very little recruiting experience. Is Coach Wright being set up to fail before he even gets a chance to prove himself with his own players?
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sealhall74 wrote:Ancrum has been a non-factor during this bad stretch. I still think that kid has more RAW potential than anyone we have. However, alot depends on how much muscle he can put on in next year to become a more explosive player.
Ancrum has had a sprained ankle since before the Chicago state loss
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Basically the way I see it,,most successful coaches are good a making adjustments and winning with what they have.. Look at Oregon last year.. Look at Shaka Smart at TX. "Not his players". BS. I don't see any adjustments by coach Wright, just same thing as last year. Doing same and expecting different results. How long did it take to not start the 6'11 kid that plays .. ????Thankfully last game Chapman started. This team has talent even on the bench.
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Blackjack wrote:Basically the way I see it,,most successful coaches are good a making adjustments and winning with what they have.. Look at Oregon last year.. Look at Shaka Smart at TX. "Not his players". BS. I don't see any adjustments by coach Wright, just same thing as last year. Doing same and expecting different results. How long did it take to not start the 6'11 kid that plays .. ????Thankfully last game Chapman started. This team has talent even on the bench.
100% agree. And how long did it take to adjust the defense to keep the big guys out of foul trouble? Was that the Denver game he finally pulled out the 2-3 zone? Stuck with it for probably less than 5 minutes as Denver was hot from beyond the arc so moved back right back to Pack Line. Shooters getting hot happens - part of the game. But if I read the coaching book correctly, the main weakness of the Pack Line is its ability to contain the 3 point shot and that has been evident to me way back to the earliest Mo days. Giving up on the zone after that short stint against Denver was plain and simple "coaching scared to lose". Regarding our implementation of the Pack Line, I see a major flaw with it. Why oh why would Gilbeck or whoever is manning the post ever rush out 4 or 5 feet beyond the arc to cover up a player out there? If you pay attention, it usually happens several times a game. Now if I am a coach, first thing I do when game-planning against us is to find the pattern which causes that to happen and immediately pound the ball to the bucket with penetration or lob pass. In a nutshell, the only noticeable difference between Mo and Billy is Billy does not have a confused look on his face when we push the ball up the court on a fast break.

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I love how many D1 coaches we have on here how many times have are big's missed wide open layups that's ended up costing us games and as far as defense goes we are about avg for the teams in are conference so we are not as bad as everyone seems to think Ipfw and omaha are much worse defensively yet there 1st and tied for second respectively in the standings a coach can put a plan together but he can't make shot's.
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ibleedpurpleandgold wrote:I love how many D1 coaches we have on here how many times have are big's missed wide open layups that's ended up costing us games and as far as defense goes we are about avg for the teams in are conference so we are not as bad as everyone seems to think Ipfw and omaha are much worse defensively yet there 1st and tied for second respectively in the standings a coach can put a plan together but he can't make shot's.
You make a good point. During this stretch of losses, we are getting beat on average by only 5 or 6 points. Scott Kornberg tweeted that during this losing streak, we have actually been in the lead for 56% of the game minutes. So you are right, a missed layup here, a missed assignment there, failure to close out on a 3 here or there could have put maybe 3 or 4 of those games in the W column.
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But coaches cost us points also. What home game was it not long ago where they have a guy at FT line? Billy calls Gilbeck over to bench for a quick chat, Fuller moves down to slot where Gilbeck was. Their player misses FT, Fuller has no chance getting rebound, their guy puts in a bunny and Fuller fouls him. They make the FT as I recall. Three points down the drain as a result of the coach. As NFS71 would say, nuff said for today.
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sealhall74 wrote:I watched ORU last two or three times out. Obi is good and a force with the rock in his hand but they are not playing team ball with him on the court. They are like an NBA team, standing around taking turns playing 5 games of one-on-one basketball.
i was thinking the same thing.obi hasnt taking ORU to the promise land,so what makes you think he would lead wiu there?
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this is not a D1 coach's forum, its for fans to bitch.lol... But I played bball in D1, and to me if teams lose in the 4th quarter it means the other coach made adjustments to beat you.. Most D1 coaches would agree.
Coach Wright keeps saying we have to find a way to close games out.. He is blaming the players without actually saying it. I dont like that. We only won the games we did because we were shooting like 60% from 3. That wasnt gonna last. Although Covington played great until recently, you wont win acting like he is Kobe... You cant rely on him every night.
.Here are some adjustments.... Our press works.. our players are athletic. Work plays so Fuller can use his athletism to get to the line. He shoots over 80+ % from the line. Ancrum has been injured but coach wasn't gonna use him correctly anyway just wasting talent , as far as meat on his bones, ?? he is about the same build as Cory Brewer and many others and about as athletic, has to be put in situations to use ability. Delo has shown he can ball, so bench Sandifer.
We foul way more than other teams, that would be ok if we blocked shots and got lots of steals but we don't. Klaar and Chapman and Morgan could come in to block shots and get the game more uptempo. offensive rebounding is non existent, so we get no second shots. This is fear of fast breaking teams.. I dont think anybody really fast breaks in the Summit league accept Omaha, so crash the boards more. Wright should platoon, sub 5 at a time like Northern Iowa, then we wouldnt be so predictable. Players are a reflection of the coach, Coach is playing "not to lose" so players reflect that. The big man Gilbeck needs to have a fire lit under his ass and play pissed off and aggressive and demand the ball, that will only happen if he is benched and told the truth about his game. He was probably promised to start in recruiting and is being treated soft so he wont transfer. He needed to redshirt anyway. I think this team would be at the .500 mark now in the summit league with better coaching.. Wright wont get better talent through recruiting, Gilbeck is a perfect example. Get athletic 6'7 JUCO players and play athletic and not scared.
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