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sealhall74 wrote:It seems to me that that bigger more populous states without Right to Work laws (e.g. Illinois) are losing a whole lot of people to other states. Maybe Rauner has the right idea on this matter. You look at these two maps and judge for yourself.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/won ... hat-arent/
http://www.nrtw.org/rtws.htm

You know what they say though...correlation does not imply causation.
There do appear to be plenty of states without "Right to Work" laws that people are migrating to: Carolinas, Georgia, Florida, much of the west minus California
And states that do not have "Right to work" laws where people are leaving: Illinois, Ohio, Pennsylvania, New York, California

However, there are also states without "right to work" laws that people are strongly migrating to: Washington, Oregon, Colorado
And states that do have "right to work" laws that people are leaving: Wisconsin, Michigan, Indiana, Iowa, Kansas, Nebraska, South Dakota, Wyoming

What I see from those maps is that "right to work" laws may have a small impact, but it's much more strongly influenced by general population and job trends.
Where are traditional manufacturing jobs that are going overseas leaving from (mostly)...the rust belt...the states with the largest drops.
Where do large % of age groups go when they hit retirement age....the southeast and southwest...people move to Florida, Georgia, the Carolinas, Texas, Arizona.
What has been the largest age group of recent history...the baby boomers...who are now in the recent/near retirement age.
And what jobs are taking over in high demand: health care (for all the aging baby boomers...many of whom are living in the southeast and southwest)....tech personnel (software developers, network administrators, computer systems analysts...areas that have seen large amounts of growth in newer tech areas...Portland, Seattle, Austin, Denver, Carolina research triangle...etc.

So, you have large populations of people retiring and moving south. Traditional manufacturing jobs that are leaving (and honestly, most are never coming back, no matter what any politician says), and growth in jobs that cater to the retiring and moving baby boomers.

Another thing to keep in mind is that as a % of the total population of a state, Illinois migration is actually significantly lower than many states, including nearby "Right to work" state, Wisconsin. Illinois has a much higher population, so while our overall numbers might be high, our numbers as compared to the total population are actually rather low.

ST_Lawson wrote:

sealhall74 wrote:It seems to me that that bigger more populous states without Right to Work laws (e.g. Illinois) are losing a whole lot of people to other states. Maybe Rauner has the right idea on this matter. You look at these two maps and judge for yourself.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/won ... hat-arent/
http://www.nrtw.org/rtws.htm

You know what they say though...correlation does not imply causation.
There do appear to be plenty of states without "Right to Work" laws that people are migrating to: Carolinas, Georgia, Florida, much of the west minus California
And states that do not have "Right to work" laws where people are leaving: Illinois, Ohio, Pennsylvania, New York, California

However, there are also states without "right to work" laws that people are strongly migrating to: Washington, Oregon, Colorado
And states that do have "right to work" laws that people are leaving: Wisconsin, Michigan, Indiana, Iowa, Kansas, Nebraska, South Dakota, Wyoming

What I see from those maps is that "right to work" laws may have a small impact, but it's much more strongly influenced by general population and job trends.
Where are traditional manufacturing jobs that are going overseas leaving from (mostly)...the rust belt...the states with the largest drops.
Where do large % of age groups go when they hit retirement age....the southeast and southwest...people move to Florida, Georgia, the Carolinas, Texas, Arizona.
What has been the largest age group of recent history...the baby boomers...who are now in the recent/near retirement age.
And what jobs are taking over in high demand: health care (for all the aging baby boomers...many of whom are living in the southeast and southwest)....tech personnel (software developers, network administrators, computer systems analysts...areas that have seen large amounts of growth in newer tech areas...Portland, Seattle, Austin, Denver, Carolina research triangle...etc.

So, you have large populations of people retiring and moving south. Traditional manufacturing jobs that are leaving (and honestly, most are never coming back, no matter what any politician says), and growth in jobs that cater to the retiring and moving baby boomers.

Another thing to keep in mind is that as a % of the total population of a state, Illinois migration is actually significantly lower than many states, including nearby "Right to work" state, Wisconsin. Illinois has a much higher population, so while our overall numbers might be high, our numbers as compared to the total population are actually rather low.

You make some good points, ST. It all boils down to jobs. Can the State of Illinois produce enough new jobs to keep people from from fleeing and maybe bring in some new ones? This little map on Small Business Startup Friendliness shows a similar correlation to the previous ones. California, New York, and Illinois are in a world of hurt for a lot of reasons. Pack of cigarettes in New York will run you $12.85. Not much better in Illinois at $11.50. Taxing the crap out of your residents is not good for keeping them around.

https://www.thumbtack.com/survey#/2015/1/states

Meh, I don't think right to work has anything to do with economic improvement. Look at the stats on neighboring Wisconsin.

I don't think a states should be able to lure companies from other states with tax breaks etc. should be some kind of regulation on that so people don't lose their jobs because the company gets a better deal. Wherever they are located if they want to leave their tax rate should be the exact same at new location. No loopholes or anything allowed.

Neckfansince71 wrote:Saw this article in the Daily Herald this morning. Funny how the "data" tells a different story.

http://www.dailyherald.com/article/2016 ... 160319307/

jc

I still really think this deserves a read!!! jc

Neckfansince71 wrote:

Neckfansince71 wrote:Saw this article in the Daily Herald this morning. Funny how the "data" tells a different story.

http://www.dailyherald.com/article/2016 ... 160319307/

jc

I still really think this deserves a read!!! jc

Truth is higher education is viewed as a luxury by most people. I suggest Illinois let their roads fall into total disrepair for about two years. Higher taxes won't look quite so bad. If that does not work, a little "Flinting" of the water will for sure.

Illinois roads are already past that point.

And it's not oh just resurface it. Most of the bases of these roads constructed decades ago bases are essentially powder now. Don't even start on the crumbling bridges, which is life or death if it fails, not a blown tire.

Edit: after re-reading your post I think I misunderstood the point you were making and we actually agree lol. I sense a bit of sarcasm lol.

EIU accepts salary deferment offer from faculty union

From the Associated Press:

Eastern Illinois University has accepted a faculty union plan to defer more than $2 million in salaries so the university can make payroll until the end of the fiscal year.

EIU-UPI is the school's faculty union. It voted Monday and Tuesday to accept union leadership's proposal for the salary deferral plan. EIU President David Glassman accepted it. Union president Jonathan Blitz called the plan a "magnanimous gesture" that demonstrates the union's commitment to the school and its students.

The Mattoon Journal-Gazette and (Charleston) Times-Courier report that the union previously rejected an EIU administration plan that included salary reductions.

EIU has had cash flow problems because of a lack of state funding for higher education due to a budget impasse in Springfield.

I saw this posted in the "Comments" section of "Capitol Fax":

A “Save WIU / Save Macomb” march and rally will be held in Macomb on March 31 at 4:45pm. It is hoped the entire Macomb community supports this effort and turns out in a BIG way.

wiu712 wrote:I saw this posted in the "Comments" section of "Capitol Fax":

A “Save WIU / Save Macomb” march and rally will be held in Macomb on March 31 at 4:45pm. It is hoped the entire Macomb community supports this effort and turns out in a BIG way.

There's nothing people in macomb can do about go to springfield if you want to send a message it's just like the guys who used to have the sign around town for several years.

The intended audience for this March 31 rally might be State Representative Norine Hammond.