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sealhall74 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 04, 2021 1:23 pm... And moved on to smaller and less than better things, as did Tanney.  That is ultimately the measure of success for any perrson in life.  Did you do well enough in your last gig so that your current gig is a true step up.  Did Coach Fish move up from a HC FCS position to an assistant job at ASU?  No, but he probably played more golf.  Look where the NDSU ADs and coaches end up. 
 

Western_101 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 05, 2021 9:07 am What do folks here think about going back to well, so to speak, with the D-II Northern Sun Intercollegiate Conference?  We had success albeit brief with UMD's Coach Nielson.

This time Head Coach Jerry Olszewski out of Agustana S.D. might be a person of interest to lead our beleaguered 'Necks in these challenging times. 

https://goaugie.com/sports/football/ros ... ewski/2399

I like the idea/formula of going after a successful OC or DC from a successful Power 5. Worked well with Don Patterson, ISU's Brock Spack completely transformed Redbird football. Big problem with that route now is the assistants are making twice what we could afford to pay. I think our most realistic approach is to see who is hungry in the D-II ranks and want's a shot at the D-I level. 
 

ST_Lawson wrote: ↑Fri Nov 05, 2021 9:44 am

Western_101 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 05, 2021 9:07 am What do folks here think about going back to well, so to speak, with the D-II Northern Sun Intercollegiate Conference?  We had success albeit brief with UMD's Coach Nielson.

This time Head Coach Jerry Olszewski out of Agustana S.D. might be a person of interest to lead our beleaguered 'Necks in these challenging times. 

https://goaugie.com/sports/football/ros ... ewski/2399

I like the idea/formula of going after a successful OC or DC from a successful Power 5. Worked well with Don Patterson, ISU's Brock Spack completely transformed Redbird football. Big problem with that route now is the assistants are making twice what we could afford to pay. I think our most realistic approach is to see who is hungry in the D-II ranks and want's a shot at the D-I level. 

 

I have no problem with getting someone who's had success as a HC at the DII level. I suggested a few names from that arena about a month ago: https://www.leathernecknation.net/forum ... 975#p33975

I do agree with a lot of the other comments though...it's not all about the HC. If we want to have success at the DI level, then the program in general needs to be supported better by the athletics department and the university. All other things being equal and nothing changes on that front, I think a really good HC might be able to get us to around .500 most years (5-6 or 6-5). A mediocre coach might have us at 2-3 wins a year, and a bad coach might have us at 0-1 per year. If we want more than an outside chance at the playoffs in a really good year (like, maybe we put together a 7-4 season and just make it in) then something has to change beyond just the HC.

That's going to take money though. The state isn't going to give us more in the near term, the university can't really afford to be putting much more into the program when so many areas are already hurting, so it's going to have to come down to the AD and fundraising staff to get more and bigger donors. Is Surprenant the right person for that job?...idk, I haven't met her personally, although I've heard from a few other people that that aspect is not really her "forte". It seems like that front has struggled quite a bit the last few years, but is that on her?..on the state?...on the pandemic? I don't really know the answer, but something has to change.

Either we chose to fund football at a higher level than we are currently, or we need to re-evaluate the league and division that we're in (and no, I don't think going to the OVC in it's current state is the answer).

 

ST_Lawson wrote: ↑Fri Nov 05, 2021 9:44 am

Western_101 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 05, 2021 9:07 am What do folks here think about going back to well, so to speak, with the D-II Northern Sun Intercollegiate Conference?  We had success albeit brief with UMD's Coach Nielson.

This time Head Coach Jerry Olszewski out of Agustana S.D. might be a person of interest to lead our beleaguered 'Necks in these challenging times. 

https://goaugie.com/sports/football/ros ... ewski/2399

I like the idea/formula of going after a successful OC or DC from a successful Power 5. Worked well with Don Patterson, ISU's Brock Spack completely transformed Redbird football. Big problem with that route now is the assistants are making twice what we could afford to pay. I think our most realistic approach is to see who is hungry in the D-II ranks and want's a shot at the D-I level. 

 

I have no problem with getting someone who's had success as a HC at the DII level. I suggested a few names from that arena about a month ago: https://www.leathernecknation.net/forum ... 975#p33975

I do agree with a lot of the other comments though...it's not all about the HC. If we want to have success at the DI level, then the program in general needs to be supported better by the athletics department and the university. All other things being equal and nothing changes on that front, I think a really good HC might be able to get us to around .500 most years (5-6 or 6-5). A mediocre coach might have us at 2-3 wins a year, and a bad coach might have us at 0-1 per year. If we want more than an outside chance at the playoffs in a really good year (like, maybe we put together a 7-4 season and just make it in) then something has to change beyond just the HC.

That's going to take money though. The state isn't going to give us more in the near term, the university can't really afford to be putting much more into the program when so many areas are already hurting, so it's going to have to come down to the AD and fundraising staff to get more and bigger donors. Is Surprenant the right person for that job?...idk, I haven't met her personally, although I've heard from a few other people that that aspect is not really her "forte". It seems like that front has struggled quite a bit the last few years, but is that on her?..on the state?...on the pandemic? I don't really know the answer, but something has to change.

Either we chose to fund football at a higher level than we are currently, or we need to re-evaluate the league and division that we're in (and no, I don't think going to the OVC in it's current state is the answer).

 

rocki wrote: ↑Fri Nov 05, 2021 12:02 pm

ST_Lawson wrote: ↑Fri Nov 05, 2021 9:44 am

Western_101 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 05, 2021 9:07 am What do folks here think about going back to well, so to speak, with the D-II Northern Sun Intercollegiate Conference?  We had success albeit brief with UMD's Coach Nielson.

This time Head Coach Jerry Olszewski out of Agustana S.D. might be a person of interest to lead our beleaguered 'Necks in these challenging times. 

https://goaugie.com/sports/football/ros ... ewski/2399

I like the idea/formula of going after a successful OC or DC from a successful Power 5. Worked well with Don Patterson, ISU's Brock Spack completely transformed Redbird football. Big problem with that route now is the assistants are making twice what we could afford to pay. I think our most realistic approach is to see who is hungry in the D-II ranks and want's a shot at the D-I level. 


 

I have no problem with getting someone who's had success as a HC at the DII level. I suggested a few names from that arena about a month ago: https://www.leathernecknation.net/forum ... 975#p33975

I do agree with a lot of the other comments though...it's not all about the HC. If we want to have success at the DI level, then the program in general needs to be supported better by the athletics department and the university. All other things being equal and nothing changes on that front, I think a really good HC might be able to get us to around .500 most years (5-6 or 6-5). A mediocre coach might have us at 2-3 wins a year, and a bad coach might have us at 0-1 per year. If we want more than an outside chance at the playoffs in a really good year (like, maybe we put together a 7-4 season and just make it in) then something has to change beyond just the HC.

That's going to take money though. The state isn't going to give us more in the near term, the university can't really afford to be putting much more into the program when so many areas are already hurting, so it's going to have to come down to the AD and fundraising staff to get more and bigger donors. Is Surprenant the right person for that job?...idk, I haven't met her personally, although I've heard from a few other people that that aspect is not really her "forte". It seems like that front has struggled quite a bit the last few years, but is that on her?..on the state?...on the pandemic? I don't really know the answer, but something has to change.

Either we chose to fund football at a higher level than we are currently, or we need to re-evaluate the league and division that we're in (and no, I don't think going to the OVC in it's current state is the answer).


 

I realize this is water WAY over the bridge, but when Brad Bainter was canned, it started a lot of ugliness. He was very good at fundraising, and when Jack Thomas got rid of him, it cost more than the university would ever know to my way of seeing things.
 

 

Western_101 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 07, 2021 12:22 pm

rocki wrote: ↑Fri Nov 05, 2021 12:02 pm

ST_Lawson wrote: ↑Fri Nov 05, 2021 9:44 am
I have no problem with getting someone who's had success as a HC at the DII level. I suggested a few names from that arena about a month ago: https://www.leathernecknation.net/forum ... 975#p33975

I do agree with a lot of the other comments though...it's not all about the HC. If we want to have success at the DI level, then the program in general needs to be supported better by the athletics department and the university. All other things being equal and nothing changes on that front, I think a really good HC might be able to get us to around .500 most years (5-6 or 6-5). A mediocre coach might have us at 2-3 wins a year, and a bad coach might have us at 0-1 per year. If we want more than an outside chance at the playoffs in a really good year (like, maybe we put together a 7-4 season and just make it in) then something has to change beyond just the HC.

That's going to take money though. The state isn't going to give us more in the near term, the university can't really afford to be putting much more into the program when so many areas are already hurting, so it's going to have to come down to the AD and fundraising staff to get more and bigger donors. Is Surprenant the right person for that job?...idk, I haven't met her personally, although I've heard from a few other people that that aspect is not really her "forte". It seems like that front has struggled quite a bit the last few years, but is that on her?..on the state?...on the pandemic? I don't really know the answer, but something has to change.

Either we chose to fund football at a higher level than we are currently, or we need to re-evaluate the league and division that we're in (and no, I don't think going to the OVC in it's current state is the answer).



 

I realize this is water WAY over the bridge, but when Brad Bainter was canned, it started a lot of ugliness. He was very good at fundraising, and when Jack Thomas got rid of him, it cost more than the university would ever know to my way of seeing things.
 


 

What was Jack's "beef" with Brad about anyway?  


I don't know - but I do know that there were people who refused to kowtow to Jack's way of doing things that got canned. I would guess it was along those lines.
 

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