Leatherneck Nation

Would you say the PRIMARY mission of the CPA is to educate students or is it to entertain patrons? I would think any cost cutting should be done in whatever balance one is going with - i.e., cut a couple of class rooms and cut 400 seats from theater (by cutting seats however, you are essentially raising the ticket price for patrons and maybe even excluding some groups from ever performing there). That sword is very sharp on both edges - you might get cut doing the cost cutting. I checked out Western Carolina's Performing Arts Center and they have only 1000 seats for a college/town of similar size. They did theirs for $30M back in 2005.

http://www.wcu.edu/bardoartscenter/supp ... a-tour.asp

I think that the 1,400 seating capacity is already a reduction from the original plans. The main auditorium is based on the design of Sangamon Auditorium at UIS which has 2,018 seats.

It is hard to cut without having multiple bids to compare against. It is unfortunate that those 2 other companies were unable to sprint just a little faster as they could of been millions lower than River City on a job this size that is not uncommon to have a 5% over even little more difference in bids. Basically they may have met budget if say River City just estimated the project higher than another company. If I was the school I would not attempt to cut 5 million maybe 1 million and see what happens if they can get 4 bids in as 1 will most likely be close enough to reach the desired range.

Just a math major talking numbers here, if bids are supposed to be in no later than 2:00 PM, if one comes in at 2:00:20 PM , is it actually late?

sealhall74 wrote:Just a math major talking numbers here, if bids are supposed to be in no later than 2:00 PM, if one comes in at 2:00:20 PM , is it actually late?

Apparently according to state requirements it is. It's dumb....but it is.

ST_Lawson wrote:

sealhall74 wrote:Just a math major talking numbers here, if bids are supposed to be in no later than 2:00 PM, if one comes in at 2:00:20 PM , is it actually late?

Apparently according to state requirements it is. It's dumb....but it is.

Federal Acquisition Rules might have allowed them to be accepted:

In The Haskell Company , B-292756 (2003), the of-
feror handed its proposal to the government attendant,
who affixed a time stamp of ‘‘14:00,’’ which was to the
minute of the 2:00 PM deadline. Haskell, a competing
offeror, filed a GAO protest challenging the agency’s
decision to consider the awardee’s ‘‘late’’ proposal.
Haskell’s reasoning was that since proposals were
due at 14:00 hours, the actual deadline was 14:00:00,
not 14:00:59. Therefore, argued Haskell, a time stamp
reading ‘‘14:00’’ necessarily was affixed between 1 and
59 seconds after the ‘‘14:00:00 deadline.
The GAO dispensed with Haskell’s argument (per-
haps tacitly extending all government deadlines for pro-
posals by 59 seconds). But more importantly, the GAO
went on to say that because the proposal was on the at-
tendant’s desk prior to the moment it was time
stamped, it was ‘‘under government control’’ for some
time, perhaps minutes, prior to deadline. The GAO
pointed out that the offeror had relinquished control of
its proposal when it handed it to the government offi-
cial.
By that logic, B&S and USAI might have been suc-
cessful had the messenger relinquished control of its
proposal at the guard desk rather than leaving with the
proposal in hand in search of the proper building. At
least the government would have had a basis for con-
sider the proposal rather than reject it. And, both would
have had a basis to protest the rejection of their proposal.

Source: http://brownrudnick.com/uploads/114/doc ... kstein.pdf

Most likely like most spec books call out that no bid will be accepted after a certain time which is determined, but those reading bids. They have a clock they go off of and once they say they are opening bids no others can be accepted to make fair to everyone.

WIU0812 wrote:Most likely like most spec books call out that no bid will be accepted after a certain time which is determined, but those reading bids. They have a clock they go off of and once they say they are opening bids no others can be accepted to make fair to everyone.

Do companies typically submit bids via email these days?

Not unless it is through IDOT otherwise they are publicly opened and usually are hand delivered at the bid time or if company gets bid done early they can mail in

812, you seem to have a lot of experience with bids and contracts so I am going to rely on you to guide me to the end of this process. jc