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Re: Head Coaching Search
Posted: Fri Dec 03, 2021 7:18 pm
by sealhall74
Honestly, I cant imagine either basketball coach being for staying in the Summit. The long bus trips are brutal. The way I look at it, history always repeats itself and the best we can hope for there is a year or two of good success, maybe vying for title, before falling back down to the middle of the pack or lower for an extended period and then working our way back into contention again. The Jacks and Yotes will alway be near the top and in contention IMHO. That is what makes the Summit League a real grind and the tournament cards are stacked in their favor. Throw in the Bison on the mens side.
Greg Kampe learned the lesson at Oakland U very quickly We should follow suit.
Re: Head Coaching Search
Posted: Sat Dec 04, 2021 10:07 am
by Cubby1
I think they should pick up one of these D2 coaches they have built winning programs.
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Re: Head Coaching Search
Posted: Sat Dec 04, 2021 10:48 am
by GV Dad
Unless we bring at least 2 other Football schools with us, I can't see the move as good idea for us. Unless they would take us in all sports except football, which wouldn't be a benefit to them. They need football schools bad, they are down to just 6 I believe?
Re: Head Coaching Search
Posted: Sun Dec 05, 2021 10:06 am
by Tere North
GV wrote:Thu Jan 01, 1970 3:40 am
You definitely have a different pool of Coaching candidates if you aren’t committed to staying in the Valley for football. The AD made a point to mention that Valley draw in her presentation. My guess is the Prez was leaning towards leaving until they began the coaching search. I also think the football Alums are in favor of staying put.
But, it Football the only thing that should be considered. Why not a conference that has both FB and other sports plus much less travel?
Which suggests, why not Missouri Valley for everything, or something like moving up to the MAC.
Re: Head Coaching Search
Posted: Sun Dec 05, 2021 10:35 am
by leatherneckcountry
Tere wrote:Thu Jan 01, 1970 3:41 am
GV wrote:Thu Jan 01, 1970 3:40 am
You definitely have a different pool of Coaching candidates if you aren’t committed to staying in the Valley for football. The AD made a point to mention that Valley draw in her presentation. My guess is the Prez was leaning towards leaving until they began the coaching search. I also think the football Alums are in favor of staying put.
But, it Football the only thing that should be considered. Why not a conference that has both FB and other sports plus much less travel?
Which suggests, why not Missouri Valley for everything, or something like moving up to the MAC.
Neither of those conference would ever accept WIU.
Re: Head Coaching Search
Posted: Sun Dec 05, 2021 10:47 am
by GV Dad
Tere wrote:Thu Jan 01, 1970 3:41 am
GV wrote:Thu Jan 01, 1970 3:40 am
You definitely have a different pool of Coaching candidates if you aren’t committed to staying in the Valley for football. The AD made a point to mention that Valley draw in her presentation. My guess is the Prez was leaning towards leaving until they began the coaching search. I also think the football Alums are in favor of staying put.
But, it Football the only thing that should be considered. Why not a conference that has both FB and other sports plus much less travel?
Which suggests, why not Missouri Valley for everything, or something like moving up to the MAC.
That would be best case Terre! I’d like to see someone take the lead to create that very conference; but I don’t see it happening. Us, IL St, SIU, E IL, SEMO, Indiana St, Murray State and UT Martin would be a great Conf geographically.
Re: Head Coaching Search
Posted: Sun Dec 05, 2021 10:49 am
by GV Dad
leatherneckcountry wrote: ↑Sun Dec 05, 2021 10:35 am
Tere wrote:Thu Jan 01, 1970 3:41 am
GV wrote:Thu Jan 01, 1970 3:40 am
You definitely have a different pool of Coaching candidates if you aren’t committed to staying in the Valley for football. The AD made a point to mention that Valley draw in her presentation. My guess is the Prez was leaning towards leaving until they began the coaching search. I also think the football Alums are in favor of staying put.
But, it Football the only thing that should be considered. Why not a conference that has both FB and other sports plus much less travel?
Which suggests, why not Missouri Valley for everything, or something like moving up to the MAC.
Neither of those conference would ever accept WIU.
I would think the Valley would, as that relationship already exists for Football. Especially now that Mens basketball is becoming competitive.
Re: Head Coaching Search
Posted: Sun Dec 05, 2021 10:50 am
by sealhall74
When you do consider other sports like volleyball, soccer, baseball, even there we are faced with a real grind each and every year just like in M and W basketball.
Denver dominates volleyball and soccer now, I dont see that changing any time soon, having checked out their facilities. ORU has a stranglehold on baseball and given their southerly location and ability to to get a head start every year, ditto.
As for track and field, no way can we compete for conference championship against the Dakota schools, I dont care how good the coaching is. Just dont have the number of athletes.
Re: Head Coaching Search
Posted: Sun Dec 05, 2021 11:02 am
by sealhall74
sealhall74 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 05, 2021 10:50 am
When you do consider other sports like volleyball, soccer, baseball, even there we are faced with a real grind each and every year just like in M and W basketball.
Denver dominates volleyball and soccer now, I dont see that changing any time soon, having checked out their facilities. ORU has a stranglehold on baseball and given their southerly location and ability to to get a head start every year, ditto.
As for track and field, no way can we compete for conference championship against the Dakota schools, I dont care how good the coaching is. Just dont have the number of athletes.
As for getting an invite to the Valley, we probably had a slight chance of that 20-30 years ago with Helen Smiley pull, but no way now.
Re: Head Coaching Search
Posted: Sun Dec 05, 2021 11:17 am
by sealhall74
If I am AD, I survey each and every student-athlete across all sports. What are their expectations? Is competing against the best where they want to be every time they step out on the field or court? Hey, I heard Billy Wright say in a post-game interview one time, being able to stay in nice hotels on the road was a big motivation to do what we do. If that is the mindset of the athletes too, then stay where we are. If having a legit chance to win each and every time out, move on.