2025 Week 8 - vs Charleston Southern (Homecoming)

[leatherneckcountry]

Was replay not working there were a couple plays that I couldn’t believe weren’t looked 

[wiu712]

Was replay not working there were a couple plays that I couldn’t believe weren’t looked 


 

The Video Board was not showing the Live Action today.  Must have been a technical problem.

Charleston Southern won the game 29-24

Cason Carswell was 34 of 51 for 375 yards.  2 Touchdowns.  1 Interception.

Western has 463 Total Yards:  375 yards Passing.  88 yards Rushing.

Charleston Southern had 339 Total Yards:  262 yards Passing.  77 yards Rushing.

Attendance at Hanson Field = 3,000.     I have to wonder if that is an undercount of the actual attendance.  There was no one taking tickets at the soutwest gate (behind the Union) when we entered.  People entering at that gate may not have been counted.
 
 

[vatusay]

Shut it down. 

[HoosierNeck13]

At BARE minimum, we need a new DC (and maybe new position coaches).

Give Coach Davis one more season, and if he doesn't show vast improvement, get a new coach.

I really don't think dropping to D2 is the answer-would lose what school spirit there is.

 

[Western_101]

The one thing I know right now is Myers was fired after year 2 playing a lot tougher schedule than we are now, and I also feel that Davis benefited last year with the switch to the OVC and a lot of the work done by the previous staff.  If Myers only got 2 years to right the ship (which in my opinion we were better off with him as coach) how long is Davis gonna get?
 
 
 


 

Myers found ways to lose games that we should have won. Myers was unequivocally the worst hire in school history. I mean he was really bad.

Although Davis' looks like he is in free fall.
 

[sealhall74]

Recruiting has to be a nightmare job for us and lot of other similar programs right now.  Portal aside, my gut is telling me that some kids simply want to compete against the best (e.g. MVFC) even though they are not good enough to actually play for the better teams there.  Bigger stages, more publicity, etc. fueling a "Rudy-like" fire in their belly to prove they belong.  Probably applies to coaches as well.  On the stat sheet, we do seem to be much improved from a couple of years back.  Some of that is no doubt because of playing against lower level competition.  So are we truly more talented, this Neck fan looking at things from the 36K foot level view is not convinced.  Need to be in the locker room day in and day out to know for sure.
 

[NewNeck]

Was not able to watch the game yesterday but from the boxscore it looks like we dominated them.  Passing, rushing, TOP, 1st downs, 3rd downs all in our favor pretty heavily. https://www.espn.com/college-football/m ... /401767166

I thought this would be an easy win for WIU.  I also thought everyone was on the Davis bandwagon after last season's big improvement but times can change quickly especially when you're sitting at 1 win in late October with 3 one score league losses.

I was told he had a lot to clean up upon his hiring when it came to roster, academics and fundraising...time will tell.

[wiu712]

Current OVC - Big South Standings:

Tennessee Tech  4-0
Tennessee-Martin  3-1
Gardner-Webb  2-1
Lindenwood  2-1
Southeast Missouri  State  2-1
Eastern Illinois  2-2
Charleston Southern  1-3
Tennessee State  0-3
Western  0-4
 

[ST_Lawson]

Recruiting has to be a nightmare job for us and lot of other similar programs right now.  Portal aside, my gut is telling me that some kids simply want to compete against the best (e.g. MVFC) even though they are not good enough to actually play for the better teams there.  Bigger stages, more publicity, etc. fueling a "Rudy-like" fire in their belly to prove they belong.  Probably applies to coaches as well.  On the stat sheet, we do seem to be much improved from a couple of years back.  Some of that is no doubt because of playing against lower level competition.  So are we truly more talented, this Neck fan looking at things from the 36K foot level view is not convinced.  Need to be in the locker room day in and day out to know for sure.
 

Yeah...it's like, barring us pulling something crazy that will never happen like hiring James Franklin (Penn State's recently-fired coach) or pulling Saban out of retirement...do we think that any coach is going to be able to do better given our current situation? We don't have much (if any) money for NIL/paying players. Our coaches have to go on social media to fundraise to be able to afford things that other schools are able to just cover with their budgets. We can't afford the badly-needed remodel/rebuild of the west side stands. We definitely can't afford to build a football-specific office/training building or indoor practice facility like you see at places like Illinois State.

We were at least competitive in games against EIU, UT Martin, and Charleston Southern, but our defense has trouble defending passing plays...especially longer ones. A friend of mine who does alumni band with me described it as giving our opponents an "automatic 30-40 yard pass Easy Button". They need a big play...just put a couple of receivers out there and toss it to the WIDE open guy who's 30 yards downfield. Idk if we just don't have the right players in the positions...don't have the right coaching...or a bit of both, but what we have isn't cutting it.

In the past, I'd give coaches a bit more leeway to build the team up, recruit their players, train them, give them a couple of years to get some experience, but in today's college football world, it's hard to be patient knowing that any good players are likely to transfer up at the end of the year and schools can hire a coach who can bring in a whole slew of good players and turn a perennial bottom-feeder into a powerhouse practically overnight (sideways glances at Cignetti over at Indiana).

This year so far, we're averaging giving up 40 points per game against FCS opponents. Last year...39.8 points per game...so essentially the exact same situation for scoring allowed.
2025 (all opponents) - gave up 202.6 ypg rushing w/ 2.75 rushing TDs per game; 248.6 ypg passing with 2.38 passing TDs per game.
2024 (all opponents) - gave up 229.3 ypg rushing w/ 3.08 rushing TDs per game, 263.4 ypg passing with 2.58 passing TDs per game.
So, statistically, we're technically a tiny bit better in terms of overall defense, but it's not enough yet to translate into fewer points allowed. Our offense is decent, but not quite to the level that it was last year.

Looking at our schedule so far, we've already played the #1 and #2 teams in our conference (TN Tech and TN Martin, respectively) along with #6 (EIU) and #7 (Charleston Southern)...massey average FCS ranking of 49th. Our remaining games are against the #3, (Gardner-Webb), #4 (Lindenwood), #5 (SEMO), and #8 (TN State) teams in the conference (we're last at #9)...massey average FCS ranking of 61st. So, our schedule does get mostly easier from here on out, but realistically, if we want any more wins, they're going to have to come in the next two games against Tennessee State or Lindenwood (both have a massey prediction of 40%-45% chance of victory for us).

Personally, I feel like the financial/facilities issues are causing the biggest drain on recruiting, and that almost no coach is going to be able to do well until we can at least address some of them. I also don't see that happening until we are able to get our enrollment back up (which helps with both the overall financial stability of the university, and direct funds to athletics via student fees). If every student takes an average of 15 hours of classes per semester, that's $543 per student per year directly to the athletics department via fees. From last fall to this fall, we dropped 995 students...that's essentially $540k that isn't going to athletics. To put it another ways...every 1,842 students we add to our enrollment adds $1 million to the athletics program.

Anyway, sorry for the rambling post, but maybe some of the information is useful.

[rocki]

Was not able to watch the game yesterday but from the boxscore it looks like we dominated them.  Passing, rushing, TOP, 1st downs, 3rd downs all in our favor pretty heavily. https://www.espn.com/college-football/m ... /401767166

I thought this would be an easy win for WIU.  I also thought everyone was on the Davis bandwagon after last season's big improvement but times can change quickly especially when you're sitting at 1 win in late October with 3 one score league losses.

I was told he had a lot to clean up upon his hiring when it came to roster, academics and fundraising...time will tell.


 

Interesting on the "clean up" aspect. I'm not happy with the way this season has gone, but am still willing to give it another year. IF we can keep the freshmen we've been playing (over 20, according to the TV announcers), they will have gained valuable experience. But, as has been repeated ad nauseum, the transfer portal has played holy hell with football teams as far as stability. I'm not in a position to talk big donations, but would definitely look to step that up as a factor in retention. We've been so close, yet so far.......