out of these two I would rather ash be hired.
He has tremendous experience at this level and might have a little sour grapes to take care of. Sounds like he is stellar at hiring his assistants and his experience might be what this team needs at this particular time. It is great to hear from the MSU fans, also.
The fact he is great with booster seems to be perfect for wiu's particular situation. Would rather have a coach that takes care of business rather than depending on the tremendously overpaid administrators.
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MSUBooster
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Are you the same Bocephus on BN?Bocephus wrote:Montana State Alum and fan here.....
I'll throw my plug in for hiring Rob Ash.
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If it were me, I wouldn't think twice about hiring Rob Ash.
If so, by your definition of a "good season" Ash, during his tenure only had one good season -- 2012.
Back in August on BN you wrote the three things you think define a good season are:
1. Win or tie conference (Ash's team did that 2010, 2011, 2012)
2. Beat the Griz ( In 9 years Ash's team beat them twice 2010 & 2012)
3. Win one home playoff game (won home playoff games in 2011 & 2012)
Even just using 2 outta 3 Ash, by your definition, only had 2 good seasons.
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vatusay wrote:out of these two I would rather ash be hired.
He has tremendous experience at this level and might have a little sour grapes to take care of. Sounds like he is stellar at hiring his assistants and his experience might be what this team needs at this particular time. It is great to hear from the MSU fans, also.
The fact he is great with booster seems to be perfect for wiu's particular situation. Would rather have a coach that takes care of business rather than depending on the tremendously overpaid administrators.
I would caution the use of "fact he is great with boosters." Rob Ash is a nice person & likable. Coach Ash can be very distant with boosters, and in my opinion can be very off putting. Coach Ash does a good job politically but eventually boosters start to see through it. If you look at most of the arguments for Coach Ash it's all about him being the winningest coach, but look at the schedules, this year we had the typical drop down game and then we played an FCS team (Eastern Tennessee) who was reintroducing their football program. The whole team was freshman or redshirt freshman players. We've had phenomenal talent on our Team and yet in nine years we only won or tied the conference 3 times; all with the same quarterback. Remove those three seasons and we averaged 4th.
Good luck with whoever you hire and I hope the excitement and growth of your program continues.
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A couple of old-time posters on Richmond board have their two cents in as well. The general consensus from them is that they want Charlie back in their booth next year. It is nice to be wanted.
Embrace the pace of the race.
Ahhh, rats. I dont know who should be hired then. As i said earlier, hope there are couple more candidates that come to town. Ill have to do some more research on them both if i want to actually name who i feel is "best". I guess reading a few comments shouldnt swing my vote, that holds no value.
Fisher does seem very compelling. Lots of connections among FBS schools. From reading Richmond board, hes highly coveted out there. Might have to go sit in on these community forums and get a feel for each candidate.
Fisher does seem very compelling. Lots of connections among FBS schools. From reading Richmond board, hes highly coveted out there. Might have to go sit in on these community forums and get a feel for each candidate.
#ALLIN #YOLO
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I empathize with your plight! We just went through the hiring process and it's a huge challenge. I'm not a huge fan of our AD and consequently was nervous about the hiring process. Yet despite my concerns I feel the hiring committee did a hell of a job finding our new coach, and one many of us had never heard of prior to the finalists announcement. So hopefully you have a good committee; looking at more than what most of us can search out, and making a good decision. Oh and our hiring process went very fast also.vatusay wrote:Ahhh, rats. I dont know who should be hired then. As i said earlier, hope there are couple more candidates that come to town. Ill have to do some more research on them both if i want to actually name who i feel is "best". I guess reading a few comments shouldnt swing my vote, that holds no value.
Good Luck!
MSUBooster wrote:Are you the same Bocephus on BN?Bocephus wrote:Montana State Alum and fan here.....
I'll throw my plug in for hiring Rob Ash.
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If it were me, I wouldn't think twice about hiring Rob Ash.
If so, by your definition of a "good season" Ash, during his tenure only had one good season -- 2012.
Back in August on BN you wrote the three things you think define a good season are:
1. Win or tie conference (Ash's team did that 2010, 2011, 2012)
2. Beat the Griz ( In 9 years Ash's team beat them twice 2010 & 2012)
3. Win one home playoff game (won home playoff games in 2011 & 2012)
Even just using 2 outta 3 Ash, by your definition, only had 2 good seasons.
If it were me- meaning if I were WIU. Sometimes a change of scenery is just what a coach needs. I happen to think Ash would be a good fit for WIU given their location and conference affiliation. Is Chip Kelly a bad coach? No. This is not a sum zero game.
Your right he underachieved by most people's standards, but he only had one losing season and provided some great yrs of Bobcat Football. And that's a fact.
Anyway if Leatherneck Fans wanted to see us argue about Ash to nauseum they would come over to bobcat nation.
I wish WIU and Ash nothing but the best.
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Thanks for the information MSUBooster...I can tell Ash is a likable guy but what we don't need at this time is a person that is distant from boosters. We're trying to build a new side of our stadium and we need a coach that will help build and lead the momentum.
We have a lot of things in the works with alumni and more importantly football alumni and the person chosen as our next head coach needs to a part of it. Past coaches (Patterson and Hendrickson) and the athletic administration prior to Nielson did nothing for the football alumni and consequently the program lost a bunch of support. Thanks to Nielson he and his staff were able to revive football alumni participation and it will only get stronger and the new coach better understand that. Several football alumni including myself have worked extremely hard getting alumni involved again to let some coach come in here and be distant. Because if we lose these guys again they'll never come back!
Something is missing here...it was mentioned that there was a lot of talent at Montana State to fail...somewhere along the way the players lost something for Ash and like the AD said...we won't win a championship every year but we should at least compete with all that we have put into it! That's telling me that what Ash was doing just wasn't enough...WHY?? I really don't care what Ash did at Juniata (never heard of that until yesterday) or Drake of the Pioneer League. I wonder if any players at Montana State were disappointed when Ash was fired...That would be some interesting information to gather.
Our next coach also needs to visit the dorms, fraternities, sororities and other campus clubs and organizations to gain their support and then hit the community. If he does that and wins he will fill the stands...if not it will be hard to raise monies for renovations to our facilities.
I will be coming down from Chicago to attend the forums and get a first hand look at the future of Leatherneck football! From what I hear Charlie Fisher would be the best fit for Western Illinois and he WANTS to be here!
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We have a lot of things in the works with alumni and more importantly football alumni and the person chosen as our next head coach needs to a part of it. Past coaches (Patterson and Hendrickson) and the athletic administration prior to Nielson did nothing for the football alumni and consequently the program lost a bunch of support. Thanks to Nielson he and his staff were able to revive football alumni participation and it will only get stronger and the new coach better understand that. Several football alumni including myself have worked extremely hard getting alumni involved again to let some coach come in here and be distant. Because if we lose these guys again they'll never come back!
Something is missing here...it was mentioned that there was a lot of talent at Montana State to fail...somewhere along the way the players lost something for Ash and like the AD said...we won't win a championship every year but we should at least compete with all that we have put into it! That's telling me that what Ash was doing just wasn't enough...WHY?? I really don't care what Ash did at Juniata (never heard of that until yesterday) or Drake of the Pioneer League. I wonder if any players at Montana State were disappointed when Ash was fired...That would be some interesting information to gather.
Our next coach also needs to visit the dorms, fraternities, sororities and other campus clubs and organizations to gain their support and then hit the community. If he does that and wins he will fill the stands...if not it will be hard to raise monies for renovations to our facilities.
I will be coming down from Chicago to attend the forums and get a first hand look at the future of Leatherneck football! From what I hear Charlie Fisher would be the best fit for Western Illinois and he WANTS to be here!
Former Neck
I respect the resume of Ash, and I am sure some team will be lucky to get him, but if he can't get the job done and beat Montana on a regular basis he will never make it in the MVC. Montana on any given year would likely place 4-6 in conference, and if you have the resources he has had at MSU and can't be more competitive, then I am guessing he will be jnable to compete against NDSU, SDSU, ISU and several other MVC teams. Not to mention, I believe Pelini is still at YSU, and they are likely to only get stronger.(however, i admit I may be misguided on that one)
Fisher looks great on paper and seems like a good coach. However, I'm struggling to figure out why he would stick around more than a few years good or bad. As far as I can tell he has no connections to this program and very few to this region in general.
If all goes well here and in a couple years a MAC head coaching job opens, why wouldn't he bolt?
If all goes well here and in a couple years a MAC head coaching job opens, why wouldn't he bolt?